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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
what is the cause of high pulse rate. BP reading is good around 135/80.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
That's quite high and may be a cause for concern if it is not a temporary situation (anxiety, illness, caffeine, meds). The vast majority of diabetics die from heart disease. A high resting pulse that is not temporary is a marker for increased mortality risk. The pulse rate should be confirmed by manual counting for 60 seconds. A resting pulse of 96 or higher triples the CHD risk for men.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Sometimes I wonder whether you understand the meaning of the words
"humbly" and "humble". Your writings are anything but humble. In fact if anyone tried to find more arrogant messages than yours from this group's recent history, my educated guess is that he/she would end up empty handed.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Sure. But my opinion about the definition is that it's not satisfactory as it is for the reasons I stated.
No. But I have a right to opinion about how "things" are, especially if there are reasons to think that "things" are somewhat less than satisfactory now. Medical truths and definitions have limited lifetime.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Pay no attention to Chung. He is an asshole.
Please continue to post. Most of us value your input and know Chung is an idiot.
I think Chung is jealous of you and your knowledge. He is of inferrior intelligence.
I belive the certifying board should be sent a google archive of his posts.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Well, it depends what is the reference population. For healthy young adult to middleage people 100 is hardly normal, or at least it would indicate poor physical condition, if nothing else. I would put an upper limit of about 70-80 for them. Older people or people with previous heart problems are a different story. For endurance athletes resting pulse rates below 50 are very common and among them rates below 30 have been reported.
It's my guess that you are not familiar with the exercise induced physiological characteristics of top class endurance athletes. See for example:

Cantwell JD.
Cardiovascular aspects of running.
Clin Sports Med. 1985 Oct;4(4):627-40. Review <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve&amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=3902253&amp; dopt=Abstract> ( http://tinyurl.com/xk1i )

"... The typical runner tends to have a slow resting pulse rate and a high maximal oxygen consumption. Echocardiographic studies show that distance runners have larger, thicker left ventricles than do sedentary controls; their hearts are more efficient than those of sedentary people, pumping a larger volume per beat. Physiologic findings on examination of well-trained runners can sometimes be confused with pathologic entities. The "athlete's heart," once believed to be an abnormal condition, is now recognized as representing a highly efficient organ. ..."

and

Jensen-Urstad K, Saltin B, Ericson M, Storck N, Jensen-Urstad M.
Pronounced resting bradycardia in male elite runners is associated with high heart rate variability.
Scand J Med Sci Sports. 1997 Oct;7(5):274-8. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve&amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=9338944&amp; dopt=Abstract> ( http://tinyurl.com/xk5j )

"... The athletes had pronounced bradycardia during the night-time, with heart rate calculated from four RR intervals < 30 beats/min in five runners. ..."
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Chung is by far the most arrogant and egotistical person on this group. I think he is feeling the pressure from REAL professionals. He can not compete. I expect him to have a serious mental breakdown - soon. He does not realize that HE is his own worst enemy.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Generally reading taken around 9am every day and its been 100 to 105 for 14 days now ( this is a resting rate).
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Could you kindly point me to the sentence in any of messages where I have claimed that "my opinion is more important than anyone else's", as you put it? An opinion is just an opinion. You can prove it wrong, if you can, consider it, if it has good arguments behind it, accept it, if the evidence provided is satisfactory, or ignore it, if there's nothing else you can do.

Based on above, it seems that may you occasionally have difficulties in understanding written language. Is English your first language?
The correct and truthful answer to what? That I'm running "things"? Is that your opinion? If so, could you kindly specify what exactly are the
"things" I'm running ?
Your opinion will be recorded. However, in your position I would give some consideration to how it affects your perceived image .
Your opinion about discussion seems to be that you say how the things are and anyone questioning your statement is out of his league or lacking credibility.

People, even you, regardless of how incredible that may seem, make mistakes, that's acceptable unless caused by gross negligence or arrogance. And medical truths are not eternal.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Actually its a friend of mine who has this problem, only started about 2 to
3 weeks ago. He uses electronic BP monitor.
Physical condition - average, in his 50`s.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Perhaps for people who don't exercise. Regular exercise can bring resting pulse down considerably, if your heart is still healthy. When I used to jog regularly, my resting pulse was usually about 42. Some top endurance athletes can have resting pulse below 30.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Now you are. If you were also earlier, it didn't come through in you messages.
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punchunthei
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
What would you class as `normal` resting pulse?
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Definition which defines young physically active, fit persons with healthy hearts as having "abnormal" resting heart rate is not satisfactory, IMHO.
Either one should reduce the lower limit of the overall range or, IMHO preferably, have different ranges for different subpopulations. Perhaps these different range definitions already exist, I wouldn't know about it?
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
No additional ideas but support to your suggestion that if his HR is that high, it warrants a visit to the Dr.
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Posted 5 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
So it seems that I was right when I suspected that you are not familiar with exercise induced physiological characteristics of top class endurance athletes. Check Medline or whatever reliable sources you wish, for the start I've already provided you with references of two peer-reviewed publications.
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Posted 5 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
Could you kindly point me to the sentence in any of messages where I have claimed that "my opinion is more important than anyone else's", as you put it? Opinion is just that. You can prove it wrong, if you can, consider it, if it has good arguments behind it, accept it, if the evidence provided is satisfactory, or ignore it, if you there's nothing else you can do.

Based on above, it seems that you occasionally may have difficulties in understanding written language. Is English your first language?
The correct and truthful answer to what? That I'm running "things"? Is that your opinion? If so, could you kindly specify what exactly are the
"things" I'm running ?
Your opinion will be recorded. However, in your position I would give some consideration to how it affects your perceived image .
Your opinion about discussion seems to be that you say how the things are and anyone questioning your statement is out of his league or lacking credibility.

People, even you, regardless of how incredible that may seem, make mistakes, that's acceptable unless caused by gross negligence or arrogance. And medical truths are not eternal.
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Posted 5 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
Could you kindly point me to the sentence in any of messages where I have claimed that "my opinion is more important than anyone else's", as you put it? An opinion is just an opinion. You can prove it wrong, if you can, consider it, if it has good arguments behind it, accept it, if the evidence provided is satisfactory, or ignore it, if there's nothing else you can do.
The correct and truthful answer to what? That I'm running "things"? Is that your opinion? If so, could you kindly specify what exactly are the
"things" I'm running ?
Your opinion will be recorded. However, in your position I would give some consideration to how it affects your perceived image .
Your opinion about discussion seems to be that you say how the things are and anyone questioning your statement is out of his league or lacking credibility.

People, even you, regardless of how incredible that may seem, make mistakes, that's acceptable unless caused by gross negligence or arrogance. And medical truths are not eternal.
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