Calories burned question

OK, I know that we have said that exercise equipment gives bad feed back on calories burned but still, I have to ask. Do you really burn more calories on an elliptical machine than when running? For example:
52 minutes on elliptical machine (50 minutes + 2 minute cool down)
machine read 829 calories burned running on treadmill (6 mph, 4.5 miles plus .25 mile cool down)
machine read 485 calories for run and 20 additional for cool down

Now, I understand that you are probably pushing more weight on the elliptical than when running but that is a pretty significant difference.

FWIW, the running reading seems more or less accurate (100 cals per mile
+ some extra because of the hills in random).

Yeah, I really need to get that HRM On the elliptical machine it says that I should be dead. I am at the 87% range most of the time. On the treadmill, I don't get a reading until cooldown when I put my hands down. I have the elliptical set at "hillier" than the treadmill -- mostly because I'm a lot more used to it.

slow down the pace for a moment and do it. I take mine while running by slowing the pace, using only 1 hand to measure at my neck and time myself from the machine's clock or a clock on the wall.

I've noticed the same on the ellipticals and find it very confusing,

Even with higher resistance on treadmills or recumbent bikes the calories don't match up.

W/ the ellipticals, even at the higher levels I don't feel the resistence either, yet the calories burned skyrockets.

Then again - when I exercise I exercise for exercise and don't concern myself with how many calories burned. If my heart rate rises up, I get to breathing heavy and I can maintain an increased rate like that for about an hour, then all's good.

Don't overthink the exercise thing.

Well, I was sort of figuring that the amounts listed were for flat, no resistance, working high "fat burn"/ low "cardio." If you select random and add a fairly significant resistance and are working high in the
"cardio" range (80-85%), I would think you'd burn more, no?

Sorry, I just find this to be confusing :-/.

While running? I don't think so -- unless you want me to fall off the machine!

thanks for the links. they are great.

paul
300/219/175